Look at Georgia to Better Understand Ukraine and Russia

July 3, 2025
How are the histories of Ukraine and Georgia deeply intertwined—and why are these two countries key to understanding Eastern Europe?

Why is Georgia drifting toward authoritarianism? Why is its current government aligning more closely with Russia and blaming its predecessors for Russia’s 2008 invasion of Georgia?

  • Guest: Tornike Gordadze, former Georgian State Minister for Euro-Atlantic Integration. He currently teaches at Sciences Po and the Jacques Delors Institute in Paris.
  • Host: Volodymyr Yermolenko, a Ukrainian philosopher, the editor-in-chief of UkraineWorld, and the president of PEN Ukraine.

We recorded this conversation in Tbilisi during the vibrant Zeg Festival, where both Tornike and I were participants.

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